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♪ gave proof >> when beyonce sang the national anthem, the national air corps bond -- she held off and didn't call the next morning, which allowed the times of london to land the story that beyonce had lip synced her way through the anthem. but gilbert did kind of get there first by blogging her theory -- next time when you don't get an e-mail response, try the phone. you might think the story at the congressional hearings on benghazi this week was how passionately hillary defended her -- not for the "new york post," which ran this screaming headline. no wonder bill's afraid, with the former secretary of state looking very angry indeed. but why drag bill clinton into it? because that's what tabloids do. it was kind of funny. it was a come back of sorts from robin roberts who has been
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battling back from bone cancer. good for her for not showing up with a wig, not being afraid to show what a recovery really looks like. >> that's it for this edition of reliable sources. >> i'm howard kurtz, go to i-tunes on monday and search for "reliable sources." we'll back here on monday. state of the union with candy crowley gyps right now. >> the times they are achanging in the u.s. military. >> today subtracting jobs in the pentagon and adding women into combat. >> the fact is that they have become an integral part of our ability to perform our mission. >> is chuck hagel the right ban to run a -- we'll ask retired general stanley mcchrystal and michael hayden.
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and then assault weapons. the public may not want them, so why is banning them unlikely? plus does the republican road to recovery begin outside washington that with virginia governor bob mcdonal. i'm candy crowley. and this is state of the union. >> chuck hagel, the president's choice to be secretary of defense, will face many of his former colleagues this week as confirmation hearings. though congressman hagel has already taken income from many in his party, his critics see as sufficiently pro real. too quick to subject cuts at the pentagon. meantime, the current defense secretary leon panetta is making history on the way out the door. joining me now, retired u.s. army general stanley mcchrystal
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is the former commander in afghanistan. and former cia director and retired u.s. air force general michael hayden. i'm the only one without a military title this morning. i want to start out with chuck hagel because he's what's top on the minds of the pentagon. from what you know of chuck hagel, and he would be the first enlisted man ever to run the pentagon. the first vietnam vet, from what you know, what sort of reception would he get from the military? >> i think it would be fine. i know senator hagel, he was on my oversight committee when i was in the intelligence community. he was a member, and this is not a universal condition, he was a member that you could talk to, have an honest dialogue, not necessarily disagree. you can always speak with him and frankly given my time in
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uniform, that's a tremendous attribute. i actually think this will work out well. >> you wrote in your book, about the trust deficit that happens when the military gets used to a new person. you were talking about the president at the time. i wonder if having a pentagon chief with the credit accident shalls of having fought in a war is a prerequisite. >> you'll build relationships as it goes. he's already got a lot of credibility on it, i don't think it will be a problem. >> do either of you see any red flags? >> the pentagon's bloated, there's too much. you've heard the criticism of any red flags out there. >> these are issues that any incoming secretary is going to have to face, we all know that. i'll give a broad macroview. if you look at the outgoing team and the incoming team, from gates and clinton, panetta,
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compared to the new guys, all right, which would be kerry and hagel, and then john brennan. on balance, i think the new team thinks more like the president thinks, when it comes to foreign po policy. this is going to be a team that might not push back as much with regard to cuts or withdrawals or smaller footprints. so i think there may be differences in policy, but in terms of the worth of man for handling the job, they received there, not at all. >> since you went there, let me just switch where i was going and ask you about the smaller footprint. because we do have coming up, the withdrawal of u.s. combat troops from afghanistan, at the end of the year, and we are seeing republicans already going no, i think we had lindsay graham on, we talked about up to 20,000. it's too important not to leave a substantial footprint there. and yet i think the general is right, that we now have a team
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that seems to be more in sync with president obama and they want a very small footprint, you talked in your book. are they ready for a u.s. troop withdrawal when the time comes. >> i certainly wouldn't try to sell senior officers exactly how many people are required. but i think we have offered a strategic partnership to afghanistan. >> it means trust, and it's more difficult to put a perfect calculation to that. the problem with the afghan government and people is they lack certainty, they look confidence. they're terrified by 2014, not because there's been no progress, but because they're afraid they'll lose that progress. in 199, they turned their back on the region. i think what they need to see from america is enough engagement to show that we are
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not going to abandon them. >> i went to ask president karzai. i wantmen business here to be making a profit, because if you were here and making a profit, then you'll have a stake in our security. i think that's one kind of indicator. i think it l probably be necessary us -- it's time for them to protect their sovereignty for the most part and so we have got to figure out how best to do that. >> joe hadden a number? >> i have said 10,000 to 15,000 and let me give you a sense of what that comprises. >> number one training. no one can prothen finally, our
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we have got a sufficient to print and basic structure to do that. >> but this is correct. just the way it laid out here, everyone else in the neighborhood is looking, and if they think we're possibling, every other neighbor is in incentivized toward the behavior that will actually be bad for us. >> let me move to another story, that is allowing women basically on the front lines, in a purposeful front, it isn't because they haven't seen that.
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do you see females in personal ops where the physical requirements and the physical i think you'll already see them serving in functions average those units, intelligence pilots and whatnot. they are positions that are much better for females. there are things you can do in special operations with females that are more difficult to do with just men. i think it will come. but it's easy to make a policy decision and i support that policy. as we implement it, it's going to be a little bit complex. because with rights come responsibility right now any male can be moved to any job in the military for needs of the service. so once you open the door with rights, theoretically, you open the door to any female that's in the service can be put in a combat position, simply for needs of the service. and i think we'll just have to work our way through that.
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>> what does that mean for the requirements. because females, as we know just physically in general, certainly there are females that are stronger than males. especially some of the special forces, there are just some physical things about women that make them less strong than men. >> there are two kinds of standards, one set of standards have to do with personal health. so for just raw physical fitness for members of the armed forces, those standards are different for men and women, because men and women are different these kinds of standards cannot be different for men and women. these have to do with actually accomplishing the job. and therefore if the standard is here, and only a small percentage of women could match that standard, for reasons that are biological. the standard has to stay there. otherwise you're risking mission success. >> if you think of an infantry squad, they carry a certain
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amount of commitment across their squad. if somebody can't carry apart, it puts more on the others. that's why mike's so absolutely correct. >> let me talk to you about drones, this has been a fascination of mine, the increase of drones and but is it doing more harm than good the increased in drones. they are extraordinarily effective and they're a tool that we have to do. the problem is, every time you take a shot, you need to do a calculati calculation. and i think we have done that in the past.
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we didn't put american boots on the ground, we didn't accept risk. it can lower the threshold for decision making to take action. >> civilians get killed. the program really kind of stepped up in mid 2008 and it got stronger as time went on. now i would suggest to you in 2008, we were very much focused on what were clearly imminent threats against the homeland, because we saw what was going on inside al qaeda training camps. so for that period of time, and for a period of time afterwards, that was a compelling concern. that was the one that drove your actions, even though you knew you had secondary effects out here that one day you're going to have to live with. i think we have gotten to a point now in many, if not-may
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actually be the prime result of some of these strikes and that would then give you reason to pod. that's carefully laid out, candy, that's not suggesting what went on before is correct, that's quite correct. and the correct decision might be a bit gentler. >> i have to ask you about another issue that's out there. you're certainly civilians who know your way around guns. there is talk about both an assault weapons ban and a universal background check, from your experience, both the civilians and knowing your way around guns, which would be more effective? >> wow. not normally in our lane. >> no, but i thought you could -- >> my instinct, and i'm talking from instinct not personal experience or exper tease, to make sure we know who is buying
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guns from a first order. >> the universal background check. >> if i know my history, wyatt erp made everybody check their guns when they rode into town. i somewhere seen what assault weapons do, i know the training we put soldiers through to carry an assault weapon, i know how carefully we control those and i think we need to have a very serious national discussion, and not simplify it, not wake it blarks white, all or nothing. but we need to have one where we're not poking fingers at each other. >> general michael hadden, thank you for your expertise as both military officials and civilians, we appreciate it so much. when we return, going after the guns with california senator dianne feinstein. >> i'm also incensed that our weak gun lawings allow these
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the city of santa maria in brazil where a nightclub fire has killed 245 people. this massive fire more than 3,000 people were at the nightclub when the fire broke out. most have died of smoke inhalation, as people were trampled as people desperately tried to find an exit. there was a pyrotechnics show when the fire broke out, but authorities have stopped short of blaming it for the blaze, saying the cause is still under investigation. brazilian investigator -- tragedy to reporters in chile
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where she has been attending a summit. and is already coordinating the government's response to this tragedy. again, candy, breaking news out of brazil, a -- left at least 245 people dead. now back to you. >> awful story. cnn of course will continue to follow this story and bring you reports when news warrants. when we return, going after the guns with california senator dianne feinstein. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso.
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yesterday in washington, d.c. thousands of demonstrators took on -- and in suburban atlanta, potential gun beiers lined up at gun shows to stock up in case congress does impose some new restrictions. what's been a really weekend will be a really busy week for you with these hearings opening up. i wanted to play you first something that senator joe manchin, a democrat from west virginia a man you know very well said to us last sunday. >> it has to be comp hencive and
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that's what i have tried to t l tell. harry reid the majority reader in the setting thes. the president's first major speech out of washington this term is going to be on immigration. so what i'm wondering is, whether you feel, this has been a rhetorical priority. i wonder if it's a legislative priority. >> let me say this, this has always been an uphill fight this. has never been easy. this is the hardest of the hard. now will it only be assault weapons? no, most likely. there will be a package put together, if assault weapons is left out of the package and i'm a member of judiciary number two in seniority, i've been assured by the leader that i'll be able to do it as an amendment on the
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floor, which is the way i did it in 1993, so that doesn't bother me. i have seen weapons spawn and grow and now in the hands of youngernd younger people over these years. i think you reach a point as i said earlier where enough is enough. do military-style assault weapons belong on the streets of our cities? and the answer, according to the united states conference of mayors, according to major chiefs of police, according to the largest police organization in the world is absolutely no. so we do have support, don't mistake it. >> you can see that within the united states senate, the assault weapons ban in particular is a very tough road. because it's not just republicans. >> i can see because the nra is venal, they come after you, they put together large amounts of
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money to defeat you, they did this in '93 and they intend to continue it. >> this morning on the front page of the "new york times," i was reading about their program now to provide weapons a -- in other words, here is a whole new group of people that we can get these weapons to. they just don't happen to be adults, they're children. children will guns in terms of hunting is not a new phenomenon, they say we train them, we want to make sure that people who have guns know how to use them.
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>> one that's going to fight you tooth and nail and this is a couple of things they tell every insane killer in america that schools are the safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk. politicians have no business and no authority denying us the right, the ability and the moral imper tiff to protect ourselves and our loved ones from harm. >> wynn la pierre is coming before the judiciary committee, what are you going to ask him. >> i'm not sure but you know i will have some questions for him. i actually debated him on cnn and other channels back in '93 and '94.
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i know his position, it has never changed. what has changed in this country is the continued use of these weapons. for me, sandy hook does an epiphany, sandy hook, who had guns, who kept them asi assume get them in an area -- he got a very powerful weapon and he went out with that weapon and he kill ed with a weapon that had the velocity of which could really
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rip these -- this was a young man, he apparently knew weapons, he knew how to use weapons, he chose to use them against the most defenseless. here's a question, does government have an obligation to protect those children? i believe we do. >> could you see your way clear to a school security program or to saying, listen, i do think there may be some armed yards at some of these schools? >> of course and there are, 1/3 of the schools in america have school guards. there were two at columbine, they couldn't get to the shooter. and that's the problem with this thing, having school guards really isn't the whole answer. the more you have these weapons, these military style weapons,
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that with a single slide stock on the ar-15 can be made fully automatic. the minute you have that, in like the sandy hook killer's hands, you have a devastating weapon. >> let me move you to a different subject, because it is now bubbling up, i am surprised at the number of people, the speaker of the house, president of the united states, some folks on the senate that say, hey, we're pretty close to an immigration bill. give me a sense of where the senate is on that, where congress is on the immigration bill. >> it's my understanding from senator schumer that we will have a statement of principles hopefully within the next week. what i pick up in the senate is that increasingly people understand that a pathway to citizenship is an important part of any immigration reform proposal. it is my belief that there will be an immigration reform proposal. >> my part of this is the agricultural part. i've been meeting with worker
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workers -- permanent program like dairy and other things as well as a. >> our viewers are going to see what you're going to see, a picture of president obama and outgoing sec tash of state hillary clinton being interviewed together on 60 minutes. this has captured the 2016 group a lot. if you're joe biden, think about a run for the presidency and you see that the president for the first time for the first time with someone other than his wife is sitting down for a chat on tv, what do you think that says about what the president is thinking about 2016? >> i'm not as concerned with that as i am with what secretary clinton is doing with 2016.
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comedian grouchomarx says finding -- applying the wrong remedies, even republicans think that pretty much sums up the party these days, following november's losses at the polls and the bruising fiscal cliff debate, the party is both leaderless and rudderless and still figuring out why. >> in order to get back in the game you've got to do a full autopsy of what happened. >> pending that full autopsy, there are some obvious places where the party has hemorrhaged voters. most disturbing for a republican survivali survivalist. hispanic voters, the fastest growing segment of the u.s. population gave president obama 71% of their vote. the question is why. the party introspection has led to much toing a ining free thro
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president obama's view of america is often a -- his policies have failed us, we're not better off than we were four years ago and no rhetoric, bumper sticker or hollywood campaign ad can change that. >> joining me around the table today for influential republicans from all corners of the country. mia love, mayor from saratoga springs utah. virginia governor bob mcdonnell. his state is now a battleground. former commerce secretary carlos gutierez. and was an advisor to mitt romney's 2014 campaign. scott walker, many of you remember that he survived a
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recall election over the summer. so quite the panel. thank you all for joining me the morning. do you sense since you are all more or less outside washington, that there is a split between how governors mayors, folks that have particular causes look at republicans in washington and how they look at the republican party? >> i think there's no doubt about it. i think there's a lot of pessimism unfortunately. but you get out around the country, bob and i like to make this point a lot. even though the president won a re-election in november, there are now 30 states across america that have republican governors. when you think about reform, welfare reform, tax reform, it happened at the state level and local level. while we need to change the climate here in washington. at the same time, i can look around this table and say you won, first governor ever to win a recalled bid, a recalled call.
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and you are in a very conservative state, in a conservative spot. you are in a conservative state, so you all were kind of fine, and you still lost, republicans lost wisconsin, republicans lost virginia and republicans lost the latino vote. so there is a huge disconnect here, not just for you, but for voters. >> i would like the rest of the panel to say this as well. even in wisconsin, just like every democrat has since 1984, the same year i not only won a recall election by a higher percentage two years ago, we took the state senate back, you see that now about half the states in america have republican majorities, more than half have republican government no, sir. local leaders in our states and local governments, they're being relevant, they're being hospital mystic, they're being a courageous.
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>> why were you popular in virginia and you couldn't pull mitt romney over the finish line? >> the president won by 7 points back in '09 and i won by 18 the next year. >> you mean mitt romney lost by -- >> 2. that is just listening from 30,000 feet, that's where we're not connecting. we have got to do a lot better job. and i think the key is what governors are doing. we're getting results, we're actually passing budgets, balancing budgets, reducing debt and deficit and solving the common sense things we're talking about. >> the word conservative doesn't do us enough justice because it tends to imply that we want the status quo, that we're stuck to the past and we don't like
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change. this is a country of change, that's what makes us so great. that's where we need to be strategically consistent. on immigration, how can we be a party of growth, of student, of free enterprise, of prosperity, but not be the party of immigration? so we do need strategic consistency, it's not just execution on the ground. we have got to look up and see what our strategy really is. >> when you look at washington, do you see washington republicans, do you see you? >> you know, no, actually. we -- i think when you think about what's happening in washington, we're having a hard time getting to people and their real struggles, getting our message out. remember, conservative values is more about people and less about washington. and right now--the president, i believe is president today not
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because of what we does, but because of what he sets, because people feel like they can relate to him. people feel like he can relate to them and that he understands. even though he's not really doing anything to help the people on the ground. they feel like he understands that. and on a local level, it's easier to connect to people. >> we're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues. and get people into the party. he in particular said i don't think we can attract young people where we always look like we're ready to go to war. he worries about the abortion issue. he worries about a number of these social issues that seem to turn voters away from the republican party, do you agree? >> i think it goes beyond even a social excuse. one of those things i mentioned
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this weekend is relevance, one of them i think is the difference between washington republicans and those in the states and local governments is we're talking about things that are relevant to people's lives, we need to be realistic about our chances, no doubt. but we need to be optimistic about our solutions. we're talking about debt ceilings and fiscal cliffs and things like that. most things that i -- their kids future, they talk about their neighbor out of work, they talk about concerns they have with schools and transportation, things like that, those are relevant things, we need to be a party of growth and of opportunity, we need to be optimistic, relevant and courageous outside. >> social issues have been important to you, as a politician, as a person. can you stay the republican party, we understand we have disagreements, come on into the party any way. >> i think these issues of life and family and marriage kind of define who you are, people will
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differ on that, but if they know you care about the biggest things, roads, schools, quality of life, access to the american dream, more opportunity. they'll give you a chance. scott's point about proving the conservative government gets good results and the things that people care about. that's our road back and doing it with a smile, people will buy into our ideas. >> stand by a minute, we're going to have more on our panel when we return. ...$10 off any turbo tax deluxe level software or higher! find thousands of big deals now... officemax.
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this used to be something that was not political. you know, disaster relief was something you didn't play games with. but now in this current atmosphere, everything is the subject of one upsmanship, everything is a possibility, a potential piece of bait for the political game and it's just -- it is why the american people hate congress. it's why they hate them. >> we are back with governor bob mcdonnell, mayor mia love. is it possible for outside republicans to beat up on inside republicans and let's say that governor christi was frustrated because he wasn't getting the aid he thought he needed for hurricane sandy relief. this was an anti-republican, he was mad at john boehner at this point. is there any way that you all
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can re-create the party by runninging against your fellow republicans? washington? >> republicans aren't always going to agree with each other. we don't have to change the debate, we should be debating, we should be talking. but we have to, just unite on our principals, our principals of limiteded government. as a mayor, it's pretty simple for me, i ask myself three questions whenever i make a decision about anything. is it affordable, is it sustainable, is it my job? where we get into trouble is when we start dividing and start figuring out, you know, somebody uses opportunity for political gain here, or somebody uses an opportunity for something else, we have to start uniting on our principles and start communicating that to the american people. we would do so much better. >> i want to put up some of the exit polls and basically what they show is anyone from 18 to
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39 boobama won all the young people. latino, 71%. and the republican party doesn't want to be the party that goes after segments of society. how do you attract latinos, how do you attract young people without sort of catering in a way that republicans say they don't want. >> in terms of latinos, in terms of asians, in terms of immigrants. i think we fall into the trap of looking at immigration too literally. what they sense is that we don't welcome them. we have to be the party that celebrates immigration. every time the president talks about business, there's always a but in the second. and when you hear republicans talk about the budget, there
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always a but in the sentence. >> is the problem the messengers, is the problem the message? is the problem policy? >> i think it's a combination. core principles, we have a right, i think part of the problem is exactly what the secretary is just talking about, what i said before in terms of relevance. and it's not even how you talk about it, it's where you're willing to go. i think too many republican candidates only went to certain parts of america to talk about their message. we have a message for immigrants, we have a message for college kids, it's about opportunity, it's about opt mission, i think in my cases, when they look at republicans in washington, they hear the opposition, naysayers, they see as being opposed to anything that -- we need to -- work together on that and then find other issues where on principle, we're still on with the american people and say here's the alternative and we have got a
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better one. >> there's some talk paul ryan said he thinks that obama is trying to delegitimize the republican party. >> republicans believe that their pathway is the right one to expand the american dream. these battles are going to continue. but showing the conservatism gets results and that liberalism has regularly failed is our best chance. and the best advise i give young voters. they graduate from college, they want a job. if you believe in that one, you're a young person, we should explain why these republican ideas of job creation, reform and higher education and reducing the american debt, we're the ones talking about that, young people, please vote for us. we have got to do a better job with it. >> i think part of the problem is that people sense or they think that if you're a republican, you believe in 15 p
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different things, but it's like a chinese menu, but all those things you believe in, and it's not true. i know pro-life republicans, i know pro choice republicans. >> let's remember that the gop was started on ending slay ini. when it comes to immigration, we are not doing our job on a federal level. we have created a problem that no one in washington wants to address and they have to address. >> thank you all very much for joining us. up next, the postal service is trying to fix a $25 million a day loss a penny at a time. -oh! -oh! oh! oh! ♪ what do you know? oh! ♪ bacon? -oh! -oh! oh! [ female announcer ] with 40 delicious progresso soups at 100 calories or less, there are plenty of reasons people are saying "progress-oh!" share your story for a chance to win a progress-oh! makeover in hollywood.
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the price of a first class stand is going up by a penny today and we're willing to bet a nickel you don't know what that brings it to. >> last time i checked it was like 43 or 44 cents. >> 48 cents? >> i think they're 48 cents? >> we had to check too. 45 cents yesterday, 46 cents today. it's just hard to keep track, this is the fifth increase in six years. the 24th in the past half century. it costs a quarter to send a first class valentine's day in 1990, a dime in 1975, a nickel in 1967. a lot of people don't know the cost of first class stamps for a
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pretty simple reason, they don't use them. >> the younger generation being used to the internet and send everything electronically. >> i don't mail that often, i pay my bills online. >> a self stick stamp just doesn't hold a candle to wi-fi, 57% of 18 to 34-year-olds pay all or most of their bills on line. and there are e cards and e-mail and facebook, itself. if people can send your pictures every ---it all adds up or in the case of the post office, it all subtracts. first class mail volume has dropped -- christmas packages and junk mail, but it's no longer enough. >> to get back to long-term financial stability, the postal service needs to reduce costs by $22.5 billion by the year 2016.